You can build out the equivilent to pfSense’s C2758 (less the support contract) for less than $800 using the same SuperMico case/motherboard they use (http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5018/SYS-5018A-FTN4.cfm), which has four onboard ethernet ports and a PCI-E slot.
I am currently using my laptop (Sony VAIO Pro, i5, 4GB RAM) as my desktop for coding. I am currently based overseas for 12 months and was looking for something a little beefier. The main bottle neck is memory (running Visual Studio and SQL Server). My Chrome tabs have to reload when I switch tabs and the disk can thrash (even though it is fast, SSD PCI-E) when compiling etc.
My options are:
- Upgrade my laptop ($2000 AUD for something like a Dell XPS 13) But my laptop is fast enough to do laptop stuff…feels a bit early for an upgrade.
- Get a decent NUC, around $1200 configured.
- Get one of these, around $600. For the price, seems like it may be a good option, shame it can’t fit the faster SSD’s though.
- Put up with slight slowness… $0…just goes against my nature
Why do you say $600? I only paid $340 for a fairly substantial AliExpress Broadwell fanless model (128GB SSD, 16GB RAM). Are you referring to a different currency than USD?
Yeah sorry, Australian dollars. I just put dollars for comparative
purposes. I would be looking at getting 256gb SSD i5 16gb ram
Here’s a pic of the computers racked (we have two racks, so identical on each side)
As you can see, I think putting a shelf immediately under these computers is a good idea, as the power brick presents cable routing issues. With the shelf underneath you can tie up the excess cord and plop the power brick on the shelf directly under each one.
I also superglued a cheap button cover over the power button since Linux will happily power all the way down as soon as the front power button is nudged, even accidentally. I am sure this can be configured in software, but these little boxes are running important bits of our infrastructure and it should be hard to accidentally power them down, not easy!
Longer term I might rotate them and put them on the stands vertically so we can fit four in each rack. Depends how these work out and what our needs are. We’re not practically constrained by rack space, we have two full 42u racks; even with very efficient servers, we’d hit the 15amp per rack power limit long before we actually had 42u worth of servers in a rack…
But will it run XCOM 2
Has anyone found a source for those machines in the US?
I’m really interested in the long term reliability of this. I have a few “always-on” needs at home right now:
- A host machine with two VMs:
- A virtual machine running Windows/BlueIris (to record IP security camera footage)
- A virtual machine running Windows Server (to host websites)
- A host machine running Windows 8.1 with Media Center, always on to record shows.
It seems like one of these scooter computers could very likely replace both of those host machines, and run Windows 8.1 with Media Center to still record/playback shows, and use Hyper-V to host the VMs, and use a lot less electricity. I would probably need to add a larger secondary drive (for redundancy/storage).
Am I completely crazy for thinking one of these might work?
Jeff, thanks for sharing. After you emphasized the age of pSense hardware a couple of weeks ago, I ended up waiting for one of these to arrive from China before selling my SG-2220. I had been really reluctant about my first AliExpress purchase, with some impatience factoring in, but it was well worth the wait, and I’ve ordered a second since.
For those thinking about pfSense, I had a lot of problems with pfSense not working with various Steam games (multiple kids trying to jump into the same game), even after some suggested NAT settings tweaks. I made a switch to ClearOS, at least for now, and it all just worked with no tweaks required. ClearOS seems a little dumbed-down, so Ubuntu Server may be a better choice.
Also just for reference and since I looked it up, the Phison S9 has roughly the same performance as a Samsung 830 SSD from 2012. Some comparatives:
AS SSD Benchmark
Phison S9 – 277 read / 335 write = 760
Samsung 830 – 366 read / 185 write = 739
Samsung 840 pro – 467 read / 483 write = 1201
Samsung 850 pro – 465 read / 494 write = 1209
(It is a bit weird how the write scores are so good, now that I look closer. Also, the read scores for the Phison only stumble on the “4k-64Thrd” result in particular.)
Hi Jeff, I’m pretty sure those are 50mm mSATA ports pictured, not M.2 in the 2422 form-factor. One tell-tale sign is that the mounting holes are on the corners, not the center. Maybe you got some units with M.2s, but at least the one pictured isn’t. I’m sure you’re aware of the differences, but you can view them here:
Just wanted to clear that up for anyone else looking into these units.
Interesting it looks like you are right! There is also a newer Phison S10 controller which performs a bit better too.
I’ll clarify in the blog entry soon on slot size, but here is the Phison S9 (Bullet Proof 4) vs Phison S10 (Bullet Proof 4e v2) controller:
Left is the S10, right is the S9.
Interesting. I’m considering this as a replacement for my aging livingroom PC. 2 questions:
My PC currently has a 3.5" HDD (WD 2GB Green - WD20EARS) which I’d like to use with this computer as a secondary drive. I realize I won’t be able to get it inside the case, but is it possible to set it outside the case, and somehow get a SATA+power cable to it? Would this PC provide enough power for this HDD?
I’m not a big gamer, but I do like to play Starcraft II. I currently have an AMD Radeon HD 6450 (fanless) which lets me play at 720P with reasonable framerate. Will The GPU in this computer - with an i5-5200U - provide comparable performance? Or should I look at a more gaming-oriented PC, like this: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/01/enough-of-this-console-nonsense-its-time-to-put-a-gaming-pc-in-my-living-room
Interesting! I was really confused for a second until I realized CyrystalDiskMark had things listed in a different order between the two controllers. Looks like a pretty decent improvement. I don’t know if I will ever stop being amazed how small and fast these things are getting, and at reasonable prices, too.
I doubt you could use a 3.5" HDD because the SATA power adapter included only has red and black conductors (5v). The yellow 12v lead and its ground aren’t present.
Using this quick and dirty test
dd bs=1M count=512 if=/dev/zero of=test conv=fdatasync hdparm -Tt /dev/sda
Phison S9 120GB
536870912 bytes (537 MB) copied, 1.52775 s, 351 MB/s Timing cached reads: 11434 MB in 2.00 seconds = 5720.61 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 760 MB in 3.00 seconds = 253.09 MB/sec
Phison S10 240GB
536870912 bytes (537 MB) copied, 1.37627 s, 390 MB/s Timing cached reads: 12176 MB in 2.00 seconds = 6091.97 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 1582 MB in 3.00 seconds = 527.11 MB/sec
Big increase in buffered reads (2x), small increase in cached reads and copy (1.15x).
edit: the Phison S10 controller is de-facto compared here as the Corsair Neutron XT (reviewed at AnandTech, StorageReview) to a bunch of other SSDs http://www.storagereview.com/crucial_mx200_ssd_review – mostly it does OK and is solidly middle of the pack (which is great, actually, versus cost) but on file server and database server tests it stumbles badly.
Samsung 850 Evo 512GB
536870912 bytes (537 MB) copied, 1.30526 s, 411 MB/s Timing cached reads: 12602 MB in 2.00 seconds = 6305.17 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 1564 MB in 3.00 seconds = 521.16 MB/sec
Just a quick note on ordering machines these from eGlobal via AliExpress - I ordered three identical units of a slightly upgraded model (barebones i7 5500u), and the machines experienced sudden power-off without warning 20-30 minutes into the stability test protocol under either Mprime or MemTest86+.
Support was great: it ended up being a BIOS issue, and they supplied updated binaries. After flashing the BIOS, all three machines are rock solid.
Definitely run a stability test if you purchase these sorts of machines - it’ll save a lot of hassle if you intend to use them in a production environment.
Ok, got me the same machine, only with 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD. I like it a lot. Notes:
There’s an 3rd slot for SSD, marked as something with “pcie” (the unlabeld purple square in the OP MB picture). Presumably, it’s for “Mini SATA PCI-e” parts, whatever that is.
SSD: Mine came with a different one - TOSHIBA THNSNH256GMCT, which performs about the same:
OS: The machine came with a preinstalled Windows 10 Enterprise - probably pirated, with some Chinese-language homepage and links. I proceeded to nuke it from orbit, of course.
Stability: At first, the machine would hang after a few minutes of operation, including after the first boot of a blank Windows 10 installation. However, after I changed some BIOS settings (disabled a bunch of stuff I recognized as not needed), it’s been stable, including an overnight Prime95 run.
Throttling: Indeed, the machine kept at 2.5GHz throughout the Primt95 run. It did however issue this event log - don’t know what it actually means:
Log Name: System
Description: The speed of processor 0 in group 0 is being limited by system firmware. The processor has been in this reduced performance state for 71 seconds since the last report.
- The HDMI output caused overscan on my LG TV, which I fixed with this.
my parent’s PC is up for a replacement…
would one of these (specced with 16GB RAM and a 128GB SSD) be up to the challenge of email, internet browsing and general office document work?
i would have thought so…
i was thinking about getting a NUC, but these look like great value…
if i wanted to add a 2.5" SSD as well, i assume that all i would need to add is four motherboard mounting screws for the SSD?